{"id":38848,"date":"2026-07-01T11:16:22","date_gmt":"2026-07-01T05:46:22","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/auroville.media\/?p=38848"},"modified":"2026-07-04T02:11:55","modified_gmt":"2026-07-03T20:41:55","slug":"ancolie-carrying-auroville-within","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/auroville.media\/fr\/ancolie-carrying-auroville-within\/","title":{"rendered":"Ancolie: Carrying Auroville within"},"content":{"rendered":"<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-post\" data-elementor-id=\"38848\" class=\"elementor elementor-38848\" data-elementor-post-type=\"post\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-dbeef09 elementor-section-full_width elementor-section-height-min-height elementor-section-items-stretch elementor-section-content-top elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"dbeef09\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\" data-settings=\"{&quot;background_background&quot;:&quot;classic&quot;}\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-no\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-0458b3b\" data-id=\"0458b3b\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\" data-settings=\"{&quot;background_background&quot;:&quot;gradient&quot;}\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-inner-section elementor-element elementor-element-d76d2d0 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"d76d2d0\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-a9e8ad4\" data-id=\"a9e8ad4\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-57cb096 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"57cb096\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h1 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">Carrying Auroville within<\/h1>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-09c4140 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"09c4140\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">An interview with Ancolie, April 2026<\/h2>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-abfadb4 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"abfadb4\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h6 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\"><a href=\"https:\/\/auroville.media\/fr\/voa\/\">First published in <i>Voices of Auroville<\/i> <br>\nIssue 11, July 2026<\/a><\/h6>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-96b6bf0\" data-id=\"96b6bf0\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\" data-settings=\"{&quot;background_background&quot;:&quot;classic&quot;}\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-8001657 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"8001657\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\" data-settings=\"{&quot;background_background&quot;:&quot;classic&quot;}\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-01c4925\" data-id=\"01c4925\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-4891a70 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"4891a70\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div title=\"Page 28\"><p><em>Ancolie was born and raised in Auroville. After leaving for Europe, her period of inner searching led her to Vipassana and laughter yoga. These experiences led her back \u2018home\u2019 to Auroville, where she works in land and tree care, and practises meditation and laughter. For Ancolie, Auroville is not just a place, but something she carries within herself wherever she goes.<\/em><\/p><\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-cb7d413 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"cb7d413\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-004c9cf\" data-id=\"004c9cf\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-5d5d4f9 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"5d5d4f9\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div title=\"Page 28\"><p><b><i>Could you share a little about your beginnings, your family\u2019s arrival in Auroville, and what your childhood here was like?<\/i><\/b><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">My father was in Germany when he first heard about Auroville. He met someone who told him about it, and with his best friend, he wrote to The Mother to express their interest. She responded warmly and invited them to come. They travelled across India, beginning in the north, meeting various teachers and holy men, including Babaji. Eventually, they met The Mother and decided to stay in Auroville.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">My mother arrived later, in 1975. She had heard about Auroville through someone she met in the south of France. She never met The Mother, but she felt deeply drawn to the place.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They began their life in Aurogreen, and I was born soon after.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">My childhood was truly beautiful. We lived very simply and closely with the land. My mother had a vegetable garden, and we grew our own ragi, millets, fruits, and vegetables. She was always present, always tending to the place, and there was a deep sense of being held and cared for.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">My father, together with Charlie, supplied much of the food for Auroville at the time, as Aurogreen was one of the earliest farms. They milked cows every morning, and I remember wanting to be just like him. I was given my own goats, which I cared for with great pride.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I feel very fortunate to have been born here.<\/span><\/p><p><b><br \/><\/b><b><i>How did your path unfold beyond Auroville, and what brought you back?<\/i><\/b><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The schooling in Auroville was quite fluid in those days. The older children mostly went to what was known as Johnny\u2019s School, while I attended Transition. From what I recall, my mother and Samata were involved in starting it, creating something that was needed for the children.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Later, the system began to fragment. The French students went in one direction to the Lycee, and the English-speaking students were sent to Kodaikanal. I completed my baccalaureate in Pondicherry, but I found the experience deeply challenging.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yet during those years, every time I returned to Auroville, I found myself drawn to planting trees. We would gather with older children and plant trees, and even in other places we continued this work. It remained a quiet thread running through everything.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">After finishing school, I did my first Vipassana. That marked the beginning of a deeper interest in spirituality, although I was still quite lost at the time.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I then went to Europe, which was a profoundly difficult period for me. Many people are able to navigate the outside world with ease, but I struggled. At the same time, I encountered individuals who opened something new in me, including Dr. Roland Schutzbach, Dr. Madan Kataria, and Patch Adams*. Through them, I discovered a different dimension of being, rooted in laughter, joy, and connection.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I began working with Dr. Schutzbach, mainly in Germany and Switzerland, assisting with laughter parades and interviewing people about laughter. Throughout this time, I carried a persistent longing to return to Auroville.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It was in Schweibenalp, Switzerland, a spiritual centre for unity, that I came to a deeper understanding of who The Mother was. Growing up in Auroville, her presence is woven into everyday life, almost taken for granted. But there, something shifted. I had an experience that unfolded into a deeper perception, a sense of immensity, a vast inner opening that is difficult to put into words.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Alongside this, I had always seen Auroville as a place of ecological possibility. I wanted to work with the land, to plant trees, to contribute in that way. To me, ecological success is inseparable from economic survival. Without it, we are moving toward collapse.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So I returned.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I studied in botanical gardens and began small-scale planting projects. I started planting indigenous trees in the Greenbelt. For a time, there was funding, but eventually it was withdrawn.<\/span><\/p><p><b><br \/><\/b><b><i>How does Auroville live within you, inwardly? In what sense is it home, beyond being a place where you live and work?<\/i><\/b><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I feel that because I was born here, because I grew up here and went to Auroville schools, there is no real separation. I am Auroville, and Auroville is me. Wherever I go, I carry it within me.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I remember being in Taiwan, for instance, living in a large house with people from different parts of the world. We were teaching languages to children and sharing a space across several floors. We lived together in a kind of harmony. There was very little conflict. It felt like a small Auroville.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In a way, it has often been easier for me to live the Auroville ideal outside of Auroville. When I return, there can be tensions, conflicts with neighbours, questions of control and authority. It feels as though we sometimes forget why we are here.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Still, wherever I go, I carry that aspiration. I am not a perfect Aurovilian, but I strive toward it. My aim is to develop the twelve qualities of the Mother, and to open myself to the different aspects of the Divine Mother, to move closer to those presences, to live something of that consciousness. That is why we are here, to live a divine life.<\/span><\/p><p><b><br \/><\/b><b><i>Has there been an inner thread that has guided you over the years? Something you could return to within yourself?<\/i><\/b><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yes, I feel it is the divine force, an invisible presence that guides us. It is about trusting that there is something guiding us, and believing in it deeply.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">For me, it comes down to faith. To believe in oneself, and to believe that there is a guiding force. To hold onto that with steadiness. It is not easy, because the human mind pulls us in many directions. But to return again and again to that unshakeable faith is essential.<\/span><\/p><p><b><br \/><\/b><b><i>And in the present moment, how do you experience what is happening in Auroville?<\/i><\/b><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Right now, it feels like a kind of psychological pressure. There is a great deal of fear. People are afraid to express their opinions. Some are struggling financially, losing work, feeling pushed to align themselves in certain ways. Others feel overwhelmed, even broken.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">There is also a tendency to surrender and simply follow, to let others decide and govern. But I do not feel that this is why we are here. Auroville is not meant to function under conventional political structures. It is meant to move toward something else, something closer to a form of divine governance. We are not there yet, but that is the direction.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If we allow ourselves to be governed in the conventional ways of the world, then it ceases to be Auroville.<\/span><\/p><p><b><br \/><\/b><b><i>In times of uncertainty like these, we often encounter parts of ourselves we have not seen before. Has this period revealed anything to you about yourself?<\/i><\/b><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It has shown me that I am human, the fear I carry, and the quiet uncertainty of not knowing if I will still be able to live here is present every day.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So the question becomes whether I will stand for what I believe, or remain silent. For me, it feels clear that I need to speak up.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">For example, I believe in the Youth Centre, and I see it being dismantled. There are not enough of us asking questions, standing there and simply asking under what authority these actions are being taken, where the orders are coming from. These questions are not answered.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">At the same time, narratives are created about the youth, about their behaviour. But I feel we need to look more deeply. If there are issues, we need to understand why, rather than remove the space altogether. The youth are the future, and they need to be supported.<\/span><\/p><p><b><br \/><\/b><b><i>If this moment were to be seen as a teacher, individually and collectively, what would it be asking of us?<\/i><\/b><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I feel it\u2019s asking a very simple but essential question: are we ready to stand for what we believe, or will we allow ourselves to be crushed? One can choose to wait, to let things pass, but at this point it feels important to take a stance for what we believe in, and against what feels unjust. That, to me, is the core of it.<\/span><\/p><p><b><br \/><\/b><b><i>Returning to the question of purpose, how do you experience your role or contribution to Auroville, both inwardly and outwardly?<\/i><\/b><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">When I met Dr. Roland Schutzbach, Dr. Madan Kataria, and Patch Adams, they revealed another possibility to me. One can remain in states of heaviness or depression, or one can choose joy, laughter, and lightness. Laughter became a kind of practice, almost like a meditation.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">To me, when you are happy, you are also healthier. There is so much suffering in the world, so much heaviness, and I feel that part of my role is simply to bring more joy into it. To embody that, even in difficult times. There is always something to laugh about.<\/span><\/p><p><b><br \/><\/b><b><i>What are the small daily practices that help you return to yourself? Could you share more about laughter as a practice, and anything else that grounds you?<\/i><\/b><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I have returned to laughter quite consciously in recent days. It has always been somewhere in the background, but now I am reconnecting with it more deliberately. Sometimes I join online laughter sessions, although I find that in Auroville, people can be quite serious, so it is not always easy to find that shared space.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ideally, I would love to see a laughter club here, where even a small group could come together regularly. It does not need to be long, perhaps ten minutes a day or an hour a week, but consistently, over time. It becomes a way of releasing accumulated tension and emotion, and of observing what shifts within.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Recently, I felt overwhelmed, mentally and emotionally. My mind was crowded, and I found myself crying without clear reason. It felt like too much. That is when I realised I needed to ground myself again. I began a forty-day laughter practice, simply for myself, as a way of returning.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Alongside this, meditation helps me quiet the mind. To simply sit, to listen to the trees, to be with nature. That also brings me back.<\/span><\/p><p><b><i><br \/><\/i><\/b><b><i>What do you notice when the practice of laughter begins to take effect?<\/i><\/b><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">There is a sense of relaxation. A lightness. You begin to notice that laughter comes more easily throughout the day. There is a natural happiness that arises.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If you look at children, they move through emotions very freely. They cry, and then they laugh again almost immediately. They laugh up to 300 times a day. As adults, we sometimes hardly laugh at all.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Laughter as a practice can seem mechanical from the outside, but it is a process. You begin by engaging in it intentionally, almost as an exercise. Over time, something shifts. The body responds first. The breath deepens, the diaphragm engages, and there is a physical release. The body does not distinguish between what is initiated and what is spontaneous. And gradually, the mind follows.<\/span><\/p><p><b><br \/><\/b><b><i>When you imagine Auroville some years from now, what qualities or spirit do you hope will guide the community forward?<\/i><\/b><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I return to something very simple. Goodwill.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Auroville was built on people who came with goodwill, who offered what they could, whether skills, energy, or resources. That quality feels essential.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I also hope we move beyond this division of \u201cus\u201d and \u201cthem.\u201d It has existed from the beginning, perhaps everywhere in the world, but there is a need to move beyond it. To recognise that there is only \u201cus.\u201d Differences in perspective will always exist, but they need not create separation.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I hope for a movement toward unity, where the community functions and moves like one body. Guided by intuition, by a higher understanding, and by love.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">At the moment, it feels fragmented, as though different parts are moving in different directions. But the aspiration would be to come back into coherence, into a shared movement.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-26803e0 elementor-widget elementor-widget-image\" data-id=\"26803e0\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"image.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/auroville.media\/fr\/voa\/\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img decoding=\"async\" width=\"40\" height=\"39\" src=\"https:\/\/auroville.media\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/VoA-logo-40-px.png\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail wp-image-38856\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/auroville.media\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/VoA-logo-40-px.png 40w, https:\/\/auroville.media\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/VoA-logo-40-px-12x12.png 12w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 40px) 100vw, 40px\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-b9da610 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"b9da610\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>In conversation with Mira Solis, April 2026<\/strong><br \/>The short-form of this article was first published in <a href=\"https:\/\/auroville.media\/fr\/voa\/\"><em>Voices of Auroville<\/em>, Issue 11<\/a><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-1b05053 elementor-widget-divider--view-line elementor-widget elementor-widget-divider\" data-id=\"1b05053\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"divider.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-divider\">\n\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-divider-separator\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-43c6fdf elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"43c6fdf\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><em>* Dr. Madan Kataria is a medical doctor and the founder of Laughter Yoga, a movement that uses intentional laughter and breathing exercises to improve health, reduce stress, and build human connection worldwide.<\/em><br \/><em>Dr. Roland Schutzbach was a German doctor in philosophy and close friend of Dr. Kataria. He was a visionary, philosopher of laughter, globetrotter, teacher, master of laughter, musician, community creator, friend, enthusiast, relieved and deeply happy.<\/em><br \/><em>Dr. Patch Adams is a physician and social activist known for bringing humor, compassion, and clowning into medicine to promote healing and human connection, his life inspired the film Patch Adams starring Robin Williams.<\/em><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-16b8edb elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"16b8edb\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\" data-settings=\"{&quot;background_background&quot;:&quot;classic&quot;}\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-af03219\" data-id=\"af03219\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>An interview with Ancolie in April 2026. 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